Obama & McCain spar for PA Catholic vote…
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SHAME on any practicing Catholic who supports Obama. His record and positions are in direct conflict with their faith. NO division here, Catholics will support McCain. People who go to a Catholic church on an occasional Sunday and pay no attention may support Obama.
Unfortunately I know Catholics, who attend Church every Sunday and even attend daily Mass, who are voting for Obama. One woman is actually a Eucharistic Minister. This astounds me!
Bishop Vasa, on behalf of the U.S. Catholic Bishops, has stated that a pro-abortion stance disqualifies candidates from consideration by faithful Catholics. He further stated that abortion needs to be a defining issue and we ought not be afraid to make it a defining issue because, when we do, we will have an end of abortion in this country.
People vote for those lacking integrity to subconsciously or consciously justify their own lack of integrity. Since there’s so many so lacking in integrity, lacking integrity itself is a useful campaign tool. Coincidentally, these are those most in need of good, solid leadership.
This is why I cannot run for office until dueling is restored.
Hmm…no references in the NYT article to the all-mighty, the most-merciful, arbiter of all things Catholic (at least in the media’s eyes), Senator Bob Casey. Thank God for that!
Dear Barbara: RE “Unfortunately I know Catholics, who attend Church every Sunday and even attend daily Mass, who are voting for Obama. One woman is actually a Eucharistic Minister. This astounds me!:” that individual should simply be escorted off the premises! I’m willing to to do it, should no one in your congregation have the cojones to do so…
George – Thank you for your offer. I do not know this woman personally but I have taken it upon myself to leave information on her car explaining the Church’s teaching on life. I also spoke to the Pastor, hopefully he will talk to her. It’s bad enough that she’s going to vote for Obama but she has a large Obama sign in the back window of her car which scandalizes the other people attending Church.
John F. Kennedy is rolling around in his grave over these comments
the way to stop abortions is not having one
some people have beliefs that differ from ours
if you want to live in a theocratic state move somewhere else
let’s leave it at that in a pluralistic society
This vote is not as simple as you would believe for us catholics, neither candidate holds the pro-life beliefs of the universal church.
Pope John Paul II’s encyclical Evangelium Vitae, the catechism states that “the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity ‘are very rare, if not practically non-existent’ ”
Pope Benedict XVI, when he was still Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, said, “Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civilian authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discreton and mercy in imposing punishement on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legtitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.”
The only real solution is to give voting rights to fetuses.
Barbara you point is correct, but my statement was in regards to McCain and Obama’s stance on abortion the death penalty and a “christian just war doctrine”. So as you can see this vote is troubling.
Neither McCain or Obama is against abortion.
“But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.” John McCain’s own words.
Dear frustrated: A point to ponder: the unborn represent the most valuable natural resource this nation, or any nation, can ever possess, namely, its future. And if that is not worthy of legal protection, what is? To heck with “pluralism” and your notions of a “pluralistic society” (whatever these leftist buzzwords mean). As I’ve just indicated, someone can be pro-life WITHOUT making a single reference to religion. Another point to ponder: only one type of human being champions pluralism — the libertine, and he does so to advance the notion that morality is “pluralistic” (that is, everyone can make up their own versions as they see fit. The goal? To remove all restraints on sexual behavior. The formula for cultural deterioration wearing the mask of freedom. Capeesh?
You seem to be mistaking the Catholic Church for a public institution. The church has certain tenets that must be believed and actively supported to be a member in good standing. Opposition to abortion is one such tenet. There’s nothing wrong with believing differently (well, there is, but it’s not illegal), but doing so disqualifies you to be a Catholic in good standing with the church. Whether you like it or not, that’s the way it is.