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I am a Toomey supporter, but just for the record Ridge is pro-school choice (he spent almost his entire 7 years on it) and cut taxes billions as Governor. Granted, he is pro-choice. But Red State and Chris by posting it as such, is attacking him unfairly. We don't need to do that to win.
That is true, Ridge's failure to get school choice passed in PA cost him the VP slot under "W".
Better go back and review your numbers.
Gas taxes went up under Ridge (under the guise of helping Pittsiburgh build better roads); spending was blown way out of control after his first year.
Folks, I wouldn't get all hot and bothered about Gerlach, Pileggi or any other hack winning in a primary against Toomey; they just have not captured the imagination of the GOP base in PA the way Toomey has.
Further, all of the nimrods whose names have been floated so far have so much baggage I would almost welcome a run in order to clean their clocks once and for all.
The Ridge Administration was the biggest spending admin in the history of the Commomwealth next to Tax and Spend Bob Casey. He is pro-choice, pro-organized labor and a Conuntry Club Republican. he also agreed to the biggest single jump in public school pensions. And the list goes one. I imagine he is the hands down favorite of the State GOP at this time. Problem is he is making too much money peddling the influence he gained with the Bush Administration.
Exactly. If this is the best the establishment has, I say bring it on.
Ridge also signed the capital facilities debt enabling act; that lovely piece of legislation that amended the Constitution, or so the court said, to allow the state to finance sports stadia for the rich and infamous…….in clear violation of Arcle VIII, Section 8.
Ridge is no conservative.
The Republicans will not allow Toomey to win the primary.
When will you realize the Republican Party is the enemy? Realize that you must protect Toomey from the machinations of the party while promoting his brand of limited government, fiscal conservatism? This notion that Toome will clean their clocks is wishful thinking. The party will do something to sabotage Toomey……..mark my words………..
The RINO's in charge of the machine are the "enemy". There's no question they're gonna try to derail Toomey. I don't think they will be successful, though, especially with the list of names they are talking about.
If you are so positive that the GOP is straight out of the devil's rear-end, then why do you continue to comment on what goes on in the GOP? Why do you care? It's our problem – let us handle it. Heck, your comments are no different than those words-of-wisdom offered by Democrats: you both want the Republican Party to fail, so you make assertions intended to discredit the GOP and demoralize the base.
What purpose are you trying to serve???
Oh no… not that "liberal" Tom Ridge!
Ridge seems to be the elitists' choice. Professional Republicans love him. Every time we have to take off our shoes at an airport, we may wonder why he simply didn't allow profiling, rather than a needlessly large, and expensive, bureaucracy that incoveniences all of us, rather than those who look and act like airplane hijackers.
I think at the national level under Michael Steele, Toomey will be well supported. The times they are a changin and the country clubbers are losing their clout even though they do have all the money and power as members of the good ole boy network. This time the GOP's going to get it right after all of the upcoming issues are fully explored and limited government, reform-minded candidates will do well.
Who, me?
Are you talking to me or dolley?
I don't want to burst anyone's bubble here, but you all do know that Toomey will lost to Ridge if he decides to run right? Ridge is the most popular politician in Pennsylvania, including Rendell, Arlen, and Pat Toomey (he of the 26% name ID). Dolly is right, the Establishment is going to do something to derail Toomey, but it is going to be to find a better candidate than Pat. Ridge, Pilegi, Scarnati, all fit the bill.
Sure, right, whatever you say………..
That's why Steele castigated Arlen for leaving instead of [cough] "thanking" [cough] arlen for his service and warmly welcoming Toomey into the fold. Are you smoking some of Rep. Cohen's stash or dabbling in Mushroom's psilocybes?
Watch what these idiots do……..and pay no attention to what they say. I'm telling you now they will do everything in their power to derail Toomey's candidacy…….subtlely, surreptitiously, or not………
You're setting yourselves up……………
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Thank you for the enlightnment, dolly. May I remind that there are some good solid conservatives in the GOP (DeMint, Toomey, Pence, and others)? We've beaten back these RINO'S in the GOP before (Ronald Reagan) and we can do it again. We actually have to work it, which many of us, including people on this site, are doing?
Bully for you.
When the Republicans yank the rug out from under Pat, as they did in 2004, will you then acknowledge the truth of my words or will you continue to deny that which you have experienced, repeatedly, in the perverse hope that the Republicans will change their spots?
I believe that those who post here really are above average intelligence, but on some issues, I see a lot of slow learners…..or people who are in denial. I really don't understand the psychology behind it.
Well, said, Morbius. i just wanna make it clear I agree with you. I'm I Republican like you are and I agree with a lot of what you say. I'm just fed up with establishment and what they're trying to do to Toomey and other conservatives. So, if you meant me, and you misunderstood what I said, sorry about the confusion.
Do I think the country club liberal republicans don't like us and fight against us? Yes. Am I willing to let them do that without a fight? NO! Some of you can complain and sound as if there is no use to even try. That's for quitters. If you don't like it do something about it. Get out your wallets and donate to those that share your values. Donate some time to that candidate that represents you. I'll be darned if I'll just curl into a ball and say there is no use to even try. I'm for giving them a run for their money. I just recently worked on a campaign for someone that ran for state representative in a district that had been held by the dems for forty years. Guess what? We had a fantastic candidate and grassroots volunteers that never stopped. Needless to say the dem lost and it was sweet. We could have just said oh what's the use the party won't help. Yeh, it was uphill but anything worthwhile isn't supposed to be easy. We are at a time when our country needs those that are willing to not only talk the talk but walk the walk.
I remember 2004 very well. And who does the establishment have to help them this time? Bush and Santorum are gone. I'm not in denial about anything, I know my facts, thank you. I know what the establishment is like, I'm well aware they don't like Toomey and they're gonna try to stop him from getting the nomination. and I also know that beating before back the establishment has been done before. So please stop insulting me and others that actually work to change what's wrong with the GOP and get our country back on track, instead of just whining all the time.
LOL………Denial………..more than a river in Egypt………………..
Nope, just working to make a difference. You should try it sometime, instead of lecturing everyone. Course, that would actually require effort, something you deny yourself of.
Very well said. You hit it right on the head.
Change your screen name.
"Anyone but Toomey"
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Hero worship? Worship of whom?
If you're trying to suggest that worship of the GOP is going on, then you are not only wrong but a sorry individual, given the history of criticism that so many Republicans have leveled against their own party here in the last few years.
If you're suggesting that people are worshipping Toomey, then you are not only selling his supporters short but also selling Toomey short as your assertion presumes Toomey is only running to have his ego stroked.
More importantly, who appointed you to to open our eyes to the truth if, indeed, what you are selling is the truth?
Frankly, I am baffled by the psychology of people like you who do nothing but berate and demean conservative Republicans who are trying to do the right thing in the GOP.
Why do you want to demoralize people who are trying to do the right thing?
Denial is a double edged sword.
Sadly, there are a lot of well intentioned people who think they are saving others from the flood waters when all they are doing is throwing them concrete blocks.
Sweet, misguided Dolley.
Fact is, "The Peanuts" convey a stronger message than anything you have put forward so far.
Y'know, I keep hearing from a lot of talking heads about how popular Ridge is, but I have yet to see any evidence of it. Where's the data, folks?
Agreed! Just don't let the hacks and Dolley hear you say that, though…
Agreed. I think in the next few weeks, once the RINOs have finished wetting their pants, you will see the GOP rally aournd Toomey – even if Ridge or Gerlach or some other nimrod is stupid enough to throw their hat into the race.
Was Mr. Ridge prohibited from taking Communion because of his pro-abortion beliefs?
I see stars in your eyes and the eyes of many posters here. I'm trying to stop the hero worship before it becomes too engrained, and………
I've watched the machinations of the party long enough to know they are evil incarnate. I'm just trying to open your eyes to the truth. The Republicans will never work to truly advance limited government conservatism. You are wasting your time with them.
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see………
This is getting interesting. The floodgates may be opening for this senate seat. I'm hearing that everyone from Bill Scranton to Mark DeSantis may enter the race. Specter is going down!
Why do you continue to beat your head against the wall with the Republicans? THEY DON'T WANT US. We embarass the country club Republicans. They are not truly interested in promoting limited government conservatism. The sooner conservatives realize they are the red-headed step children of the party, the sooner we can build aa truly conservative party. The Republicans are nothing more than socialist-lite.
If you are going to continue to fight the fight, YOU MUST DEVELOP A STRATEGY TO PROTECT PAT FROM THE PARTY. Failure to do that will doom his candidacy to failure. Now that Arlen is no longer available to do their bidding, the long knives WILL COME OUT. You do not recognize the Republicans as the enemy so you CANNOT POSSIBLY be prepared to fight them. Let me repeat: YOU MUST DEVELOP A STRATEGY (or strategies) TO PROTECT PAT FROM THE PARTY, and you must do that NOW.
Now that Arlen is gone, the long knives will come out. You must be prepared to fight the Republican party. If you do not recognize them as the enemy, you cannot prepare and will not be prepared to fight them.
I've watched this train wreck before. I'm watching the replay in slow motion. You must not ignore or deny that the Republican Party is going to actively sabotage Pat's candidacy.
Maybe you should clarify who the "Republican Party" is that you are referring to. If you mean the party hack leadership aka Asher, Gleason, Ridge, etc., I don't think anyone worth their salt is naive enough to think they will simply rally around Toomey. They will either need time to absorb the fact that they have lost one of their stalwarts and get used to the idea that Toomey is the best man, or they will have to come to the table kicking and screaming.
Part of their strategy to undermine Toomey – floating trial balloons about possible opponents for Toomey – are getting shot down faster than pigeons in Hegins. If Ridge and Gerlach and Pileggi are the best they can do, then they have no hope. Further, the fact that the "knee-jerk" Republicans in Washington are starting to absorb the fact that they no longer have the headache called Arlen Specter to deal with, they are coming around to the idea of having Toomey join them, as evidenced by Hatch backtracking and Boehner stepping forward to support.
Remember, there is a HUGE difference between rank-and-file Republican voters and the hack leadership.
"Whereas we the undersigned registered Republicans wholeheartedly support Pat Toomey for US Senate, and
Whereas we watched as party operatives sabotaged Pat's candidacy during the 2004 primary, and
Whereas we remain dedicated to the ideals of limited government, fiscal and social conservatism once espoused by the Republican party,
We the undersigned hereby resolve to leave the Republican Party if the National, State, or local operatives sabotage, either blatantly, subtlely or surreptitiously, the current candidacy of Patrick J. Toomey."
Circulate it and solicit the signature of anyone who is willing to make good on the threat. I doubt this will dissuade them from stabbing Toomey in the back, but at least it puts them on notice that the grass roots is wise to their tricks.
Send the petitions to Michael Steele, Gleason, and local-yocals.
Why do you care what I or other conservatives beat our heads against? Who appointed you our shephard? Heck, you've provided lots of bitter complaints but haven't provided any solutions.
You b!#$% about the GOP constantly, as if the entire institution is corrupt, conveniently ignoring good people trying to do the right thing. Do you give such grief to Democrats?
More to the point, what would you have conservative Republicans do – bolt the GOP? And where would they go? Until a truly viable alternative surfaces, we'll deal with the old clunker we've got – at least it runs.
What the ^^%$ are you babbling about?
More importantly, why are you bothering conservative Republicans?
Here's what you and team Toomey need to do:
1. Acknowledge to yourselves that the Republican Party is at least as intent on defeating Toomey as the Democrats are.
2. Develop and circulate a petition amongst team Toomey that says something like: