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This should make things interesting.
While he as enjoyed a good reputation, I believe that it is time to see if he has more than 'one black mark' on his record. He may be the best one yet to announce, but he has to be subject to the same scrutiny as the other pretenders to the throne.
Ray –
You always seem to talk a good game and I have yet to see a single policy, elected official, or candidate that is good enough for you. Why don't you save us all and run for a state office yourself? Or, are you afraid that maybe it'll come out that you aren't as perfect as you demand everyone else to be!
And what about you, Ted? What office do you hold? For what office are you running? At least Ray posts his full name so you know who you complain against.
Have you considered that maybe it might be a good idea to demand perfection from our elected officials? Yes, they are human and will make mistakes, but if you demand perfection, perhaps they will be less likely to get into situations where mistakes happen.
How many mistakes are acceptable to you? How far away can a person get from America's core values before you get upset?
Does America have core values? I have lived in five different areas over the years and all had different core values.
Rich –
Glad you commented because I put you in the same category as Ray. Perhaps one of you can be Gov. and one of you can be Lt. Gov. I don't claim to be perfect, nor to I expect others to be perfect. All I ask is someone to be honest and hard working and to do the job to the very best of their ability. Perhaps if folks like yourself wouldn't constantly drag everyone through the mud we'd see a greater number of good candidates run for these offices. But I guess until that day we can always count on you guys to tell us all that's wrong with everyone but yourselves – be it true or imagined!
Mr. Rohrer is the best candidate so far.
I may be voting in the primary after all. Definitely a vast improvement over the rest of the field.
Who does Rohrer hurt the most? I suspect its Corbett because Corbett probably has a lot of what I call the soft conservative support. Rohrer would get the hard conservative support and some of the soft conservative support probably from Corbett. Gerlach is probably the biggest winner from a Rohrer candidacy.
Rohrer's problem will be financing, but Corbett has also had problems on that front in the past.
Well said, Ted. Well said. You have to give credit where credit is due.
Hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhaah.
Yes On The Pay Raise for Sam Rohrer.
No On Sam Rohrer for Governor.
Ted,
Thanks for sharing. Perhaps you missed this part. "He may be the best one yet to announce, …".
I prefer him to the other two, but we need to know exactly who we are voting for, don't we? Voting for the pay raise was pretty egregious but by itself, it is not a deal breaker. If he has some other questionable (or lousy) votes, then I think that we all would justified in questioning whether he deserves to be elevated. That makes sense, doesn't it?
I don't run for office out of my high regard for life. If I had to spend my whole day with lying, cheating, thieving b***ards, I'd feel pressured to kill them and I value my life too much to sacrifice it for theirs. LOL
And as Rich Talbert says below, what's wrong with holding them to a high standard?
Rep. Rohrer has some bad votes, no question. And? Don't we all make mistakes? Sam Rohrer is most articulate and can make the case for Constitutional Limited Government better than almost any I know. It appears that Peg Luksik will not run for Governor. Sam would be the conservative. Most definitely not part of the Establishment. Clearly understands need for spending restraint. A truly decent man and very engaging. The MSM will demonize him, of course. Still, I think we can be proud to support him.
Julian Stolz just reminded me of Rep. Rohrer's stellar vote against John Perzel as Speaker. This was a career risking vote and was a vote against his self interest and in support of good government and conservative and reform principles. Risking one's career on a vote covers a lot of bad votes. Sam's ability to articulate clearly and with conviction a case centered on Constitutional Limited Government is the key reason that he will be viable. If the opponent is, as I expect, Joe Hoeffel then there will be a real choice and a real debate between two contenders who articulate very different visions. Pat Toomey will, likely, be making the same case in his Senate run.
Toomey Rohrer makes a lot of sense. Peg will be amplifying the message as will others. Josh Quinter in the 13th.
Rohrer with five others voted against Perzel, post pay raise. Also voted against Rendell’s budget in ‘08, and no doubt will again. Is that enough?
Not only did Rohrer vote against Perzel, he was one of the three (along with Curt Schroeder and Dave Steil) that worked the deal behind the scenes to set up vote to eliminate him.
6 votes against Perzel: Rohrer, Schroder, Cox, Roae, Benninghoff, Steil. Steil retired, Dems took the seat. Cox and Schroder had no primary/no general election opponents (no accident–blew some out of their races). Roae had primary challenge and survived. Bennighoff and Rohrer had general opponents, with most force aimed at Rohrer. All made it after taking down the most powerful in decades, Speaker Perzel. That’s a big deal.
a very big deal. they opened a path for reform. Few have followed. "A vote based on principle is never a wasted vote." I just read that from Joe Hilliard . Great line.
Thanks for putting me in such good company.
Are we dragging through the mud or just commenting on their record? Isn't their record what they run on? Isn't it important for it to be known? I don't understand your objection to knowing what an elected official does?
Kudos to Joe Hilliard for saying it, to Julian Stolz for bringing it to the forefront. Thousands of votes, undoubtedly some Rohrer would do over if he could. Looking into every candidate’s record is worthy and appropriate. But we’d better decide what we’re for and Rohrer’s action w/the other five is huge. Would seriously like to see posts on any acts of political courage in Pa that tops that vote by those six. Other had promised it and wussed out. Not them. They laid everything on the line.
All I see here is a three-way split to help Corbett over the top.
Gerlach intends to run to the right of Corbett.
An angry and outraged electorate might just drink Gerlach’s Kool Aid.
Rohrer could tap into that same conservative discontent and split it up with Gerlach to allow the insider annointed Corbett a win.
Three-way races tend to involve deliberate acts by a major candidate to split his opposition.
I think Sam Rohrer will pull from all areas where Corbett is strong, that is, outside the southeast and weaken him in those areas. Jim Gerlach's appeal is among southeast's liberals and where he is well liked even by those who disagree with his voting record ( myself included). Sam Rohrer may well energize the Constitutional base looking for someone other that a Hack and a Liberal. Sam has intricate knowledge of how things work in Harrisburg. He is honest and committed.
Corbett is a menace to the Rule of Law and if Sam can pull from Cobett's base, that may save Penna. and the Republican Party from its most disgraceful mistake yet.
I second Bob Guzzardi's comments regarding Rohrer's role in bringing down John Perzel. Rohrer is a principled legislator doing his best in a politically-corrupt and leadership-dominated system.
SS
How "seriously" is he considering it? As "seriously" as everyone else who is contemplating it?
This coming year is going to see one of the most motivated and rejuvenated conservative electorates in years. Corbett and Gerlach know this and are going to be spending all of the energy campaigning to the right of where they really stand. Rohrer's record is probably far from perfect, but he has much stronger conservative credentials and cultivated a lot of grassroots support with local, politically active conservatives over the years. He will probably pull more votes away from potential Corbett supporters who figure the "law and order" guy is probably better than another PA southeast RINO. But support for Corbett doesn't seem to run very deep anywhere. Gerlach is fairly popular in the southeast and a likable guy, but he's spent most of his time in Congress making sure he is perceived as a moderate in all things. That wins elections and keeps the party leadership happy, but it doesn't garner deep support from rank and file GOP voters.
The establishment is going to continue to weigh in for either Gerlach or Corbett, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a genuine conservative surge around the state for Rohrer that will be enough to give him a strong showing or even victory in the primary. When you see the county chairs start breaking for Rohrer instead of taking orders from above to go with Gerlach or Corbett, then you will see a indication of an independent and ignited conservative base strong enough to shift political winds. Rohrer can only win with a surge of support "from below" by party activists. The leadership is committed to keeping conservatives out either for personal or perceived practical reasons. This may be a very interesting spring in terms of the "soul" of the state party.
Well, Ted, I already am an elected official. And I actually enjoy being in the same category as Ray, Bill, Dolley… As far as running for governor, well I seem to be short the $20 million to get out there. In the meantime, I'll keep cutting taxes and raising the standard of living for the fine folks of Grove City.
I'm not interested in dragging people through the mud. I'm only interested in holding their feet to the fire. There's a HUGE difference, you know…
Unfortunately, you failed to answer my questions: How many mistakes are acceptable to you? How far away can a person get from America's core values before you get upset?
Sam is principled and will present a real angeda. if he jumps in expect it to help Gerlach by pullign down Corbett.
a very perceptive analysis, Awenydd
Correct. Sam will present an agenda and it will be nothing that the Harrisburg Insider Establishment Network of hacks will like. Those who use politics for profit will not be happy to see Sam Rohrer as Governor. The Forgotten Taxpayer will be elated.
Rohrer's candidancy may get a better budget deal for taxpayers. His candidancy may force the establishment to reconsider their bad budget deal since he presents a huge threat to establishment candidates in a Republican primary.
From the folks that I have spoken with, I understand it is a VERY serious consideration. Certainly moving forward.
FINALLY! A CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR I CAN SINK MY TEETH INTO!
If nothing else, it would force the debate towards the conservative end of things instead of the wishy-washy Philly GOP middle.
And if all the conservatives who talk so much on this string start writing checks to Rohrer, then this could become a horse race.
And while Rohrer will pull votes from Corbett campaign, I think the potential exits for Gerlach to suffer because he doesn't have the intellectual aptitude to keep up with Rohrer. And don't kid yourself; Corbett will attack Gerlach in order to drive down his numbers in those areas friendly to him.
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!
My approach would be to keep up the maximum amount of pressure on the GOP insiders.
Rohrer is better than the other two, but I would like to see a third party candidate in the mix as well.
That would serve as a reminder to the GOP that they can shove Corbett down our throats in the primary, but then they will have to get past another obstacle.
Third parties are hard in PA, but the environment is now in favor of large groups of people signing petitions for a grassroots third party candidate.
You're all looking at this wrong. The real question is: Will Corbett steal votes from Rohrer or Gerlach?
Another thought on the Pay Raise issue. . .as I have thought about this over the weekend. There were several layers to this story. One, the "Midnight" pay raise. As we all know, the timing of the votes isn't up to the members, that is specifically assignable to the House leadership. Two, the "Judgement" of those who voted for it (did they think they really deserved that pay raise, etc). Three, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, the Constitutional issue. That is, it wasn't un-constitutional to vote for a pay raise, if their salaries are ever to go up, they must vote for themselves. The Constitutional issue was the members who took the pay raise early, not waiting until they were re-elected, if their constituents chose to re-elect them, as the Constitution specifies. Rohrer voted for the pay raise, but spoke strongly against the taking of it, as per the Constitution. As much as we didn't like his vote for the pay raise, this is a significant distinction.
Bologna. The constitutional issue was also whether the dictates of Article III, Sections 1 -4 were followed. THEY WERE NOT. THE VOTE ON THE PAYRAISE WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. PERIOD. They used the stealth legislative technique, also known as 'gut and run' to pass the payraise.
The unvouchered expense portion of the issue was but one facet. Rohrer never should have voted for this. Never.
Did Rohrer vote for the gambling bill in July 2004? Enquiring minds want to know…………
Rohrer, No on gambling. Page 1581 – 1582, here: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/HJ/2004/0/20...
I am definitely warming up to this guy.
Okay, Rohrer for governor? Is it really April 1st? That's even sillier than the endless "Mike Turzai for Congress, or Lietenant Gov, or Galactatron, or whatever" tales.
If only we had more men like Rohrer. He's a committed father, husband, and legislator. He understands the importance of the PEOPLE in the process and he knows HE WORKS FOR THEM. If Rohrer runs, I will personally give money and time to see that he wins.