NEW PA QUINNIPIAC: TOOMEY NARROWLY LEADS SPECTER & SESTAK…
DEM PRIMARY: Specter leads Sestak 44%-25%…
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NEW PA QUINNIPIAC: TOOMEY NARROWLY LEADS SPECTER & SESTAK…
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Toomey is leading, the budget scheme is falling apart, and Obama's support in Pennsylvania is dropping.
What a way to start the day
BHO is failing and this country will need good men like Pat Toomey to clean up the mess left by BHO and his comrades.
This just in: Blanche Lincoln is in MAJOR trouble in Arkansas.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/po...
Dodd, Specter, Lincoln, Reid, Ritter. The Democrats are going to have some tough races on their hands this cycle.
The VA and NJ GOP governor candidates are in good shape.
Corbett is going to crush whoever the Dems put up. Toomey will defeat Sestak.
That is what they thought about Hillary Clinton at this time in the race and the Republicans thought about Swann as well. You better get a candidate that knows how to run a real race if you want to beat the Dems. Many Republicans in the West want Onorato and think Corbett is a dish rag. Onorato has 5 million in the bank so far and even he has more governing experience than Corbett. If Corbett is the nominee he will get smacked around the general by Onorato. Can you say chrisma and ability to debate. Corbett has neither, not to mention dirth ideas and the same campaign staff that ran Swann's race. Maybe it is time to revist the childrens story the "Emperor's New Cloths"! and wake up and smell the coffeee before it is too late!!!
If you’re going to post about charisma, at least spell it correctly.
Obama's numbers are far worse than I would have thought. By next November, Toomey's best campaign strategy may be to run against Obama.
Pat Toomey is leading the conservative reform movement in Pennsylvania. This news has made my day. I recommend reading his book. He has thought through his ideas and can articulate them like no other that I know. Reaganesque. Unfortunately, he is only one. Pat Toomey's candidacy has energized those consistently centered on Constitutional Limited Government. Unfortunately, he seems to be only candidate we have. and the partisan prosecutor may well be on the ticket as he assaults the Rule of Law.
It's over a year until the election and anything can happen. Those who oppose Specter (as I do) should recognize that Specter will do and say anything to win and will have maybe $30 million to spend.
There are probably only a handful of Democratic Senators who are vulnerable in 2010 and Specter is certainly one of them. But them Dems will move heaven and earth to protect all of them, including Harry Reid, Blanch Lincoln and Specter.
What happens on the national scene is key. If unemployment is still high, the deficit situation still bad, as it is now, and Afghanistan still shaky, then the Dems may be in real trouble and Specter with them.
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This poll is a set-up. The internals do not match the state at all. Q is going to show us ahead and then pull the rug out from under us.
Toomey should stop "tweeting" to Spector and start taking steps to move away from him…….at this point, he seems waffley.
But will the GOP rise to the challenge to lead? Or will the RINOs insist we continue to practice as losers ala Meehan in Philly?
The saga continues…
Who have you been talking to? Most Republicans were very nervous about the Swann race precisley because the old guard was managing the poor guy.
Any time a long term incumbent polls below 50% it is bad; polling below 45% is worse.
Snarlin' Arlen would have done us all a favor just by retiring at the end of this term.
Neverending….ir seems
Its Arkansas. Abandoning Democrats there is difficult at the state level so its a good sign nationally.
Swann's campaign worrisome from day one.
Please feel free to provide internals! All polling is welcome!
Now we are suddenly believing in polls. From Quinnipiac. WOW!
I think it is still too early to get too excited even if this is accurate but if the dems continue their current path, they will be in big trouble as will their RINO enablers. We need conservatives who will advocate tax repeal and less government and protection of our rights including the right to life. This is not the time for our candidates to shy away from those values.
We should settle for the lesser evil. We've already got one of those in this race.
Optimisitc as always, huh, Ray? We already have one of those in his race; his name is Pat Toomey. But then again, I guess he's not as perfect as you.
Ray wants Dick Morris to set the tone for the conservatives.
Scary that Toomey supported Sotomayor's confirmation. I don't think I can handle another Santorum-like betrayal.
My carisma ran over your dogma
Amen. I don't trust Toomey. The Sotomayor endorsement was THE….LAST….STRAW.
Well, they sure as heck beat Terry Madonna's polling!
Huh?
I don't think Toomey will be screwing up the way Santorum did.
That said, if he does, then he gets the boot, too.
Or are you suggesting we just let Snarlin' Arlen skate to re-election?
So I guess one straw was the last staw for you. Sad to see that some "conservatives" turn their back on a guy who has fought, sweat, and bled for them for years. I hope the conservative movement isnt' that monolithic. I for one am proud to back Pat
Let's review:
1. He endorsed Arlen Specter.
2. He endorsed Rick Santorum.
3. He endorsed Tom Saylor for retention on the PA Supreme Court, citing the politically motivated, non-dissent dissent in the payraise case as the reason for retention. Nevermind that Saylor voted with the majority on the gambing case…….a case where identical issues were presented. The payraise dissent was PURE, POLITICAL PAP………Toomey nonetheless issued an endorsement in the race. Pfffttttt. Strike ONE.
4. He issued a fence sitting statement on life, something to the effect of "I'm persoinally pro-life, but I don't think we should require all GOP pols to be pro-life." Everything before "but" is BS. STRIKE TWO.
5. He endorsed Sotomayor, a woman who will undoubtedly dismiss any challenge to Obama's New Deal on steroids. STRIKE THREE.
With "Conservatives" like this, who needs Democrats? Will Toomey vote to confirm Obama's next liberal appointee? Enquiring minds want to know…………
A blind bear could do better polling than Terry Madonna. Sorry to insult any blind bears out there.
Let me ask you..
1. If it's Toomey v Spector, for whom would you vote? Or, would you not vote for either?
2. If it's Toomey v Sestak. for whom would you vote? Or, would you not vote for either?
3. If you would not vote for any of the three, then just who do you have in mind, remembering there is no such thing as a perfect candidate?
When everyone is running around giddy, someone has to keep their head.
Specter is the man described by Pat Toomey as the lesser evil yet he is the choice of BHO. The lesser evil just isn't good enough unless what you want is a repeat of the slow leftward drift of the last 50 years. The left set the standard and the GOP went along by offering people who were only slightly better.
My point is that either we insist that our candidates honor and obey the Constitution or go elsewhere. Is that too much to ask?
PS — The Constitution is the Rule Book for government, not a list of suggestions for politicians. If they can't obey the supreme law of the land in writing laws for us, why should we obey their laws? Indeed, why should we even have a Constitution?
Didn't have the guts to respond the other day on that thread, so you take a cheap shot today.
And you cannot even be honest. I was the most critical of having Morris as the headliner. I am not even impressed with his supposed acumen. My only question — which no one answered — was what made him a pervert, sucking toes or using a prostitute. For all of those so sure that he was so freaky, no one could explain why.
Go Pat Go!!!!!!
The Obamacare Express is going off the road and Specter can’t evade his way to win elections anymore.
Anything with a Republican label on it could win an election right now and we really need conservative, common sense people to win GOP primaries next year.
Are you the same 'guest' who replied to D_M?
Can you point to the alleged incidents of blood, sweat, and tears?
I worked hard to help elect Toomey in 2004. I am very disappointed in him because I do not see the same man with the same standards and values. Was he lying then or is he lying now about what he believes? Why does he not have any position papers on his web site? Don't you think it would be important for people to know what he stands for? Maybe he doesn't want to be locked into a stand that he might have to gives up?
Honor and obey the Constitution. Yes, I am that monolithic. Why do you believe that that standard is too high? What parts are okay to ignore?
Santorum waited until well into his 2nd term to get mushy. Pat has started before he has even been elected. That tells me that he has the potential to be far worse than Santorum — IF WE DON"T HOLD HIM TO HIGH STANDARDS STARTING RIGHT NOW!
He has to know that giving in or giving up is unacceptable. If we let him slide now, he think that it's okay.
And I forgot this bit of stupidity………
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/elections/index.s...
I take it you'll be pleased if the Republicans fall one short of Majority in 2010 and Reid is still Majority leader? Might as well write your own name, 'cuz that will do as much good as voting for anyone other than Toomery or not voting at all. The "Yeah. I'll show them"-type. I'm glad I'm not that or a "holier than thou" type like some here. [P.S. The abortion issue is NOT goiung to be resolved; Roe v Wade will NEVER be overturned.. at least in my lifetime... so it's a non-issue to me.]
Risking retribution, let me disagree with my conservative colleagues Dolley Madison and Ray Horvath and remind us that Pat Toomey endorsed Mike Folmer and John Eichelberger when all the odds were against them. He then raised the money needed to get the message out. These were endorsements and these were efforts that made a difference. Pat Toomey made the endorsement at PLC in March 2006 well before the election when it was far from clear that there would be this almost unprecedented upset. That is leadership and risk taking.
Endorsing Specter and Santorum made no difference. Endorsing Saylor and a few others made no difference. Saylor was almost certain to win retention. Expressing an opinion on Sotomayor made no difference. When it made a difference, Pat Toomey spoke up and defied the Establishment and the odds and was a significant factor in the defeat of entrenched Harrisburg Insider Establishment of Jubelirer and Brightbill.
Admittedly, I was a tad disappointed in Saylor and Sotomayor endorsements. Personally, I worked for Rick Santorum and, for all his faults, is far superior to Bob Casey, Jr. Arlen Specter v. Joe Hoeffel ….well I voted for the nominal Republican because it was obvious what Democratic majority in both House and Senate would mean.
I have read Pat Toomey's book and it is the articulation of a conservative consistently centered on Constitutional Limited Government, Economic Freedom and Individual Autonomy. Pat Toomey believes in and articulates the ideas and ideals that unite and energize along with a practical and pragmatic plan to implement the ideas and ideals. Pat is "the guy".
For all of this, Dolley and Ray offer clear analysis and their points have validity and need to be considered. Like the irritating grain of sand in the oyster, disagreement can produce something valuable and beautiful. The discussion continues.
I think I'll write in.
On judges, Toomey is clueless.
And on life, he is a FRAUD.
I guess the question you have to ask yourself is "How liberal is too liberal before I stop holding my nose to vote?"
Dolley has made it clear (with examples) that Toomey has crossed her line. Dolley isn't stupid – she knows that no candidate will be a perfect candidate because all candidates are human.
But what is wrong with holding their feet to the fire? What else does Toomey have to do to cross YOUR line?
Bob,
No retribution here. Just have someone start your car and taste your food for a while. LOL Just kidding.
Pat has indeed taken some risks and done some good things, Please correct me if I am wrong but I seem to recall that all being in 2006 and before. Since then, to me, he's become an establishment player and gone 'mainstream GOP' — meaning RINO.
For 2004, he put out very good, detailed position papers. You knew where he stood. Where are they now? It's been 3 months since I've been told that they'd be on the web site 'soon'. If he hasn't changed, what is taking his team to copy those strong stands to the web site? My guess is that his positions are not as strong.
The question is why?
All false argument. I note with no small measure of disgust that you are simply arguing that toomey is the lesser of the evils, not that he meets your independently set, unapologetically conservative standard.
A blind bear peeing in the woods…
I think it was the fact that he hired a hooker. I figure he was hanging with Clinton too often.
Since then Morris has had some pretty good political analysis', and I have been making it a point to watch him on FOXNews to get a better grasp on his thinking – and does raise points that you don't hear anywhere else that make sense.
Again, all of these were Republican candidates and, from that perspective – while I disagree with it – it is understandable.
As a Constitution Party member, why do you care about the internals of the GOP?
Don't forget natural law…
So, how do you propose to hold his feet to the fire?
Go Pat! Getting rid of liberal Joe and Snarlin' Arlen with one stone!
Bob,
What I see happening here is nothing short of idolatry. The majority of posters here are not looking AT Toomey, but up to him. No one has yet been able to cast a vote for him in the primary or general, yet even now they are refusing to hold him accountable, arguing not in support of his words or actions, but simply that he is the lesser of the evils. Let me repeat, we haven't even cast a vote for him and already, we are arguing simply that he is the lesser of the evils, not that he meets our independent, unwavering, unapologetically conservative standard. If Pat can count on their unconditional support now, why would he give their concerns any credence after the election? After he has secured the seat? Virtually NO ONE here is willing to hold him accountable. I am flabbergasted by that.
If the endorsements of Saylor and Sotomayor were meaningless, why did he make them? On Saylor, he bowed to party pressure. He's not his own man. On Sotomayor, he's "moderating" trying to make himself palatable to the left. How has that strategy worked for us? Stop. Enough. And will he vote to confirm Obama's next leftist appointee? If not, why not? ENOUGH!
Toomey has proven himself to be nothing more than another opportunistic, pandering politician, not principled. I can't get excited about voting for the lesser of the evils, again, still.
Because the GOP puts up worthless candidates and because the winner is always from one of the 2 major parties, that is who will sit in the seats of power.
If they put up candidates worth voting for, we might consider becoming Republicans again but regardless of party affiliation, we still have the choice of voting for one of the majors.
We do care and apparently we care more so than you dyed in the wool, koolaid drinking republicans who vote for party, not principle.
Hey, the GOP started as a third party and they may once again regain that status.
Call him out. Challenge him when he is wrong. Refuse to give him my vote.
If you dedicate yourself to him now when he isn't committing to solid conservative values, he doesn't need to worry about his stands. You are in the bank and he need not pay attention to you or your concerns.
No is the most powerful word in our language. You get more with 'no' than you do with 'yes' yet rather than challenge him, you kiss his ring.
He also quietly but effectively helped his liberal successor defeat two conservatives in the primary to succeed him.
So, let me get this straight: you want to b!tch and moan about the quality of candidates fielded by the Republicans but you refuse to get involved within other reform-minded Republicans to fix the problem, and choose instead to wallow around with a third party that is going no where?
Which begs a more fundamental question: why should any Republican active in the primary process care about what you think?
The GOP is self serving and interested in power, not advancing principle. My move to the CP was intended as a message to the GOP to move right. If they don't get that message, they will be relegated to third party status again. Do you think that Dolley and I are the only ones who left the party?
You should care because your party cannot win without people like us. Good candidates get votes, not the party label.
Haven't you noticed that compromised and compromising candidates from the GOP has brought us to this point?
PS — The purpose of every third party effort has been to drive one of the major parties to act on their particular issues. In this case, the CP and others want fidelity to the Constitution, with small government and low taxes. Why do you oppose that effort?
RE sending a message: I have a newsflash for you – the RINO leaders of the GOP do not care whether you are affiliated with the party or not. If anything, they are glad you are gone because that means fewer "radicals" to deal with.
RE the CP and the Constitution: are you suggesting that only people affiliated with the CP want fidelity with the constitution, or are the only ones concerned about less government and lower taxes? Isn't that a kind of arrogant assumption to make?
Bottom line is this: a third party will not work in PA. Period. The deck is stacked against it. Does that mean you need to roll with the leadership of the GOP? Heck, no! If anything, those idiots need to be challenged on a daily basis.
But if too many of the good people bail on the job to join an organization that cannot succeed simply because the powers-that-be won't let it succeed, isn't that working against the ultimate objective of reforming our political process?
They don't care about a few defections but when it gets to the point of losing every race because their candidates are not winning elections, they will either care of fade away. I don't care which choice they make.
Of course the CP members are not the only people to care about fidelity to the Constitution, but it sure seems that they are the only PARTY that cares about it. The GOP uses it as toilet paper just like the dems when it suits their needs.
You can continue to challenge them everyday but I have a newsflash for you — they do not care if you are a lifetime member of the GOP as long as you continue to donate and vote for their chosen candidates. Staying in the party hasn't help to right their ship. It's sinking and it's becoming more evident to more people every day.
Here in Western Pa, the CP is holding classes all the time on the Constitution. Does the GOP even have a copy?
In one instance you are right. They do not care about me leaving, but they also don't care about what you think when you stay. They want your vote and your money. Period. The do care about my vote when it doesn't go to them.
So, you are wrong.
In a close race, the number of people saying 'no' does not have to be large. He can ignore us, but it will be at his peril.
If he refuses to stand strong now, how do you expect him to do the right thing when he is in office? Why should he? You've proven that his beliefs and votes don't matter. The only thing that does matter is the party label. That's how we got Specter for so many years.
If the CP is holding classes on the Constitution, that's a first.
But you're still wrong if you honestly think they miss your vote; remember, the leadership is liberal, so if they lose a race, they immediately presume that it is because the candidate/message was too far to the right. In an environment like that, how are you making anything better?
Maybe you just know as much about the CP as you think that you do.
If I vote for their candidate as the lesser evil, they don't get any message so they cannot care.
If i don't vote at all, there is no discernable message, so they don't care.
However, if I vote to the right of their candidate, then there is a clear message. They may miss it and they may ignore it, but iit is still a message. They ignore it at their peril.
And there I must disagree with you – most in the CP have either never read the Constitution or have read it but do not understand it.
I do find it ironic that I know the GOP leadership will not listen to those who bolt, and you argue that they will pay attention when people bolt. We can't both be right.
"No" is only as powerful as the volume behind it…
I know a lot more about the CP than you can ever imagine.
That being said, I never said there was problem with voting for a third party candidate. My only question revolves around why someone such as yourself – intelligent and well-intentioned – even cares about the candidates offered by the GOP.
In other words, why pee in our pool when you have one of your own?
But you don't know that they have classes on the Constitution. Okay
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
The history of third parties is to push one of the majors. It's usually more about making your case for an issue than actually winning office.
I've been an independent most of my life, wearing the "R" for only a relatively short time (about ten years). 99% of the time I've voted republican. I care who the GOP puts up as candidates. I just wish the GOP members were half as concerned.
Being obtuse is the only way to debate with you, dude, because your logic makes no sense.
First, despite the rhetoric, third parties have a tradition of failure. Period. The GOP succeeded only because the Whigs collapsed and the abolitionist movement had nowhere to go. Remember, politics hates a void, and at that time, there was nothing to oppose the pro-slavery Democrats.
Second, the CP has had a very inconsistent history of actually educating people on the Constitution itself. If there are classes in SWPA, then I must presume it is a local effort and neither a state nor national scheme. But even you have to admit that the CP has lost national clout because of a lack of vision and focus. What was once numerically the third largest national party, has since dropped significantly behind Libertarian Party. If your cliche is losing numbers, how does that impact anything?
After all is said and done, your opinion is not relevant to the GOP leadership; they don't heed registered members of the GOP, so why should they listen to you? Honestly, you and the CP mean less than nothing to them. You would be a lot more effective running for office as a Republican and shaking things up internally.
Morbius you are completely correct on the constitutional education issue. I have done some research on third party movements and it appears the Constitution Party is highly decentralized even on the state level.
The problem with the Constitution Party, beyond the inherent problems that face all third party movements, is that it lacks the ideological coherency on the state or national levels. I cite their national convention nominating a Presidential candidate last year as an example of this. There are true believers like Ray, who should be respected for actually knowing about the US Constitution, but there are also other malcontent groups who are along for the ride because the two other parties do not fit their view of identity politics.
I attended a Constitution Party event once in Michigan with a friend who was supporting their candidate as an observer. The party would actually be stronger if ran by people like Ray seeing they actually have a guiding direction, aka the US Constitution, but the party was a hodge podge of various other groups including NAFTA / New World Order conspiracy theorists, neo-agrarians, Christian Nationalists and discontent Libertarians. Instead of following the Constitution, the groups devolved very quickly into fighting over how each was a supporter of the identity groups supposed enemies. I have been to countless Republican meetings and a few Democrat meetings and I have never seen anything comparable.
Like I said. Obtuse with a definite lack of reading comprehension.
Only because you cannot seem to comprehend the fundamental issue at hand: no one in GOP leadership cares about the "advice" of a third party hack.
I'm not saying you are wrong to be interested, but it does not make sense why you persist in throwing stones at others, some of whom who are trying to do the right thing, while your team is still at the starting line.
In your mind I may be obtuse, but in reality you are being illogical.