Brown’s MA Senate win greeted as good news in PA by Toomey…
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I am thrilled that Brown won tonight.
I know that he isn't strictly a conservative, but after last night's acceptance speech where he never once mentioned 'republicans' I have to wonder if he is strictly a republican either. He made a great speech and championed a lot of things that I hold dear.
He may well be the one man to derail ObamaCare and for that we must all be grateful. It's been said that he is 'the Scott heard 'round the world' in the war to take back America. Let us pray that is so.
Amen, Ray.
Ray you are a walking identity crisis. Toomey isn't good enough to earn your support over Luksik, but you cheer the victory of a pro-abortion, pro-socialized medicine (Brown speerheaded RomneyCare) pol like Brown.
Agricultural is PA's number one industry. Peg has a ag message, Peg attend the PA Ag Republican's Annual meeting at the PA Farm Show. Where was Toomey? He has been campaigning for over a year and still could care less about ag.
Ray – I'm with you, partner. Republicans need a candidate who can inspire a broad range of people with a populist message. More importantly, Republicans need a candidate who will appeal to moderates and independents and who can defeat Specter or Sestac.
No, I know who I am. You are just a series of question marks.
This is PA.
Toomey spoke boldly as a conservative in 2004.
Toomey has backed away from a lot of that tough talk since then. He's moderating before he's even in office. I find that troubling and have explained it here before.
Brown is in Mass. There hasn't been a pubbie as a Mass senator in 30 years.
Did you hear Brown's speech last night? He is a stronger conservative than most pubbies in congress right now. He is unabashedly against the monstrosity that is being forced on us. Perhaps that's because he has seen the light on RomneyCare. I am not happy with his position on abortion, but on most of the other issues, he's solid.
I did say that he is not perfect but that he is a major improvement over what is in there right now and will help get more conservatives elected.
The race just concluded was the election for the office. It was not a primary where we were choosing between a solid conservative (Luksik) and a pandering moderate (Toomey).
The best possible candidate won last night. If I was in Mass, I'd have voted for him.
In Pa, we have an opportunity to elect Peg Luksik. I trust her to stand firm and not equivocate or sell us out.
I am not so sure that I agree with you as much as you might think.
Brown ran on a pretty strong conservative message. Not 100%, but close. He spoke to the people (a la Reagan) on the issues that mattered to them. He did not pander. He welcomed voters from all parties and from no parties.
That is the way to win. Trying to bend to the audience; trying to pander; trying to reach across the aisle is a sure way to lose.
Take the high road; sell the conservative message; welcome all to come and vote for that message is the way to win — even in Massachusetts.
Double spacing?
It's called starting a new paragraph. It also makes it easier to read.
Weepy?
Not at all. Happy though. Isn't most of the country?
Most liberal?
Do you have a link to prove that? I read through his statements and with the exception of abortion, he's right on the issues. Whether he supported RomneyCare or not, he is opposed to ObamaCare. Did I miss anything else that makes him a liberal? Do you hear him last night? Did he sound like a liberal?
Please also note the difference between a special election in the most liberal state and a republican primary election in a state that is democrat, but conservative.
I have been asked to reconsider my view of Toomey. I will do that over the next few weeks. I will not vote for him in the primary just because 'he can win'. If I find reason to change my mind, you'll know it by reading it here. In the meantime, I still back Peg — despite some disagreements there as well. In all of the years that I've known Peg, she has been consistent and right and I've not had a reason to doubt her.
It is totally different. The 41st vote in MA was vital to stop the Obama/Reid/Pelosi freight train. We’re not out of the woods yet, either. My hope for Pa is an open primary for Republicans and Democrats. Annointment is a bad idea. Let the candidates make their cases, let the people decide in the Primary and THEN the political parties should weigh in.
Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts make it clear: Republicans that run on limited government, low tax, balanced budget platforms and stay away from the so called "Culture War" issues win. Brown is the most socially liberal member of the Republican Senate caucus. Even the two gals from Maine do not support gay marriage like he does. Based off this model, Toomey is the best candidate compared to the social issue, regulate our private lives obsessed Lukisk.
Finally its good to see the economic conservatives back in charge. The social conservative coalition that ran the party during the Bush years simply was never a 50 state movement.
Please Ray; no! Please do not support Pat Toomey! I can't bear the thought of enduring a campaign meeting with you.
There must be a relevant third party — if not; start one! With your Calvinist worldview (everybody sucks) you could start the "Calvinists In Favor Of Legalizing All Hard Drugs" Party. (You may draw some votes from Sestak…)
What planet are you on?
When have the social conservatives been in charge of anything? What have they ever enacted that has caused you to hate them so much?
Speaking of hard drugs, are you using any?
Calvinist world view? LOL It was a funny cartoon (ask Chris) but I didn't know that he had a world view that had anything to do with drugs.
Are you related to Ryan? Neither of you ever give a direct answer when questioned. Go back and read my post and answer the questions if you want to actually have a discussion.
If you just want to make personal comments, then just be yourself.
Questioner: You are correct about Ray, and it's good that others see his fraudulence.
When it suits Ray, he scolds us with his "the lesser of two evils is still evil" screed — with double-spaced typing to emphasize his arrogance. Now, however, Ray is all weepy over the election of a liberal Republican — perhaps the most liberal senator in the Republican caucus — and he denies any contradiction.
Don't get me wrong: I'm pleased that Brown won. Just remember that while Peggy "Landslide" Luksik (who won't even carry her home town in May) was at the ag show, Toomey was raising money for Brown.
Ray: Did you miss Scott Brown's very lengthy riff last night on the wonderfulness of Ted Kennedy? Or that he never mentioned the word "conservative" once?
I don't usually answer your questions, Ray, because I regard you as an arrogant ass with a second-rate mind — and way too much time on his hands. And if you don't like "personal comments", then remember that you are the one who labels people as "whores" and "turds".
Note to Chris: All agree that In the 1950s Bill Buckley legitimized the conservative movement by censoring vulgar and offensive third party types from his publication.
RINO's of a feather flock together!
can all conservatives agree, going from teddy to brown was a giant step in the right direction. not a big fan of the maine twins right now, and looking at new england as a whole, if this is all we can get from mass, then fine i'll take it. watching his acceptance speech was interesting. i like to believe he was being a gracious statesmen like winner when referencing ted and other dems and by not trashing the dems and not throwing the gop name brand around. bring some honor back to elected office. plus he cant afford to be hyper partisan. dont want him to be either. we need a leader, do the right thing for ther right reason, not because mitch told you to. member when spector talked the talk up to election about judicial nominees, then immediately after, said he was his own man basically which almost cost him the chaimanship. do we want brown to say and act one way, then during his acceptance speech through it in the face of the indep and dems who voted for him by saying gop this gop that. give him a chance. watch the actions, not words.
While I will give this guy a chance, I think one messiah in government is enough.
Brown voted for a Northeastern states CAP-AND-TRADE law. "Reducing carbon dioxide emission in Massachusetts has long been a priority of mine. “Passing this legislation is an important step . . . towards improving our environment.”
He supposedly voted with the Massachusetts Teachers Unions over 94% of the time.
Here it gets fuzzy. Obama said he voted with the republicans all the time, but the local NPR station said he voted with the Democratic Majority in the legislature over 91% of the time. Also some say he was always pro-life, so who knows?
I do know that if Shawn Hannity is latching onto this guy……. I don't trust him at all. lol
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/ar...
Ray, do ya think Toomey has gone over to the republican establishment? It was independent voters and TEA Party people that got Brown elected in Mass. People don't want to hear the establishment republican rhetoric anymore than they want to hear the D garbage. Brown was the lesser of the evils and it broke one party rule according to exit poll comments from Mass voters. I want republicans to win elections but I couldn't care less if it's going to be the same-old, same-old with establishment republicans. Gleason and the rest of them better be paying attention because Obama isn't and if republicans don't, it's an open invitation for TEA Party people to start a third political party.
Victor,
Yes, that has been my concern. I was assured today that that is absolutely not the case but I am not convinced yet. I will watch this closely and decide.
Remember, this is a primary between two people claiming to be conservative. Regardless of who wins the primary, there will be two people running on a conservative message – hopefully. A good primary fight with debates will flush out who is the conservative.
And you are right about the establishment in both parties. What we want and must have are those who don't see government as the answer, who want low taxes and more individual liberty and personal responsibility.
I agree that him speaking kindly of The Swimmer was in the spirit of gracousness. I was bothered more by him mentioning McCain and Romney.
If he is only half as good as he sounded last night, he will be100 times better than Kennedy.
I was screaming at the TV, but I chalk it up to being gracious in a state that reveres the Kennedy clan.
He didn't say conservative, but the crowd went wild with every mention of conservative hot button issues. That's worth more than hearing a word that is overused and misused.
I label politicians harshly, but accurately. I can't recall doing that with posters unless they attack me first.
Despite your opinion of me, you have the time to post remarks about me. Interesting.
All will not agree with Buckley. Who anointed him as the spokesman for conservatism? The liberal media.
You pick your heroes, I will pick mine.
We have no messiah, but Christ to paraphrase the old saying. No man here is and I deplore pretenders. I don't think that Brown is even close to being that although some supporters already are suggesting that he is presidential timber. I agree with you. Let time tell the real story.
He did vote for some things that we always suspected or knew were wrong headed. He seems to be the rare politician who will say that he made a mistake. He is now opposed to cap and tax and the healthcare proposals even though he voted for his state's bills.
Some call it flip flopping. I call it making a new decision after getting new information.
Hannity is enamored of politicians and acts like a little girl when around them. He wants to be friends with the powerful and lets that get in the way of presenting a consistent conservative message.
I think that the 'fuzzy' facts are the result of political dirty tricks. I'll bet he left (that attacked Joe Lieberman as vile) put out both the high pro dem and pro pubbie vote counts to discourage everone from voting for him, portraying him as a liberal to independents and as too conservatives for the democrats.
Ray often pounds us with his "the lesser of two evils is still evil" diatribe — which apparently does not apply in Massachusetts.
What a fraud.
I've had it with Ray labeling people as "turds", and "@$$holes" and — his favorite — "whores".
Please, Ray : take your Ray "Whore" Vath act to the Luksik campaign — or some other losing third party. The conservative movement has expended lots of time and treasure through the years in repudiating the likes of you.
Is this why you're banned from Free Republic?
The last two administrations (Obama and Bush) have been the most social issue focused administrations in modern history. Save Carter, who was the last truly social liberal administration, these two administrations are the worst in the past 4 decades. Bush was the most socially conservative administration in decades. The social conservatives supported him to the bitter end.
Other social conservatives have shown their agenda is just as horrible as Obama's as they are both big government monsters. The social conservative candidate in 2008, Huckabee, is a Casey Democrat that says he is a Republican and Rick Santorum was not much better in the Senate.
Geesh… Ray got banned from Free Republic?
Ray has never liked Toomey. Toomey is far more conservative than Brown and arguably the most conservative Republican to run for Senate in this state in decades. The intellectual dance Ray is playing defending his support for Brown but opposition to Toomey does not make sense in the light of Pennsylvania not being some right wing bastion. Pennsylvania is a moderate state. Not as liberal as Mass for sure, but definitely not a conservative bastion. This means you have to run candidates who appeal to not just conservatives but also moderates. Brown appealed to conservatives, moderates and probably some liberals too.
Wrong. As usual.
http://www.freerepublic.com/~badray/
Don't tell me what they say or what they may want.
Tell me they have done. What legislation are they responsible for getting signed into law.
Are you telling me that you look to the Carter years as something good?
I hate big government period. I just don't see anything that the so called social conservative have accomplished that has you so upset.
I really struck a nerve with you. LOL
I addressed your statement. Rather than respond, you rant. Where am I wrong in my reasoning? If my mind is 2nd rate, you should be easily able to punch holes in my argument. Instead, you whine.
BTW, who are you to decide who has too much time on their hands (from your earlier comment to me)? That sounds rather elitist on your part and not at all conservative.
And after all the time and treasure expended defeating elitism. Tsk, tsk.
Geesh — Go to FR and read my comments.
If you don't know the facts, you should stay quiet until you do. Pat and I get along fine. I just disagree vehemently on some things that he has said and done. Unlike some, I believe that what a person believes and does is more important than just being nice. Most politicians, con men, and serial killers are nice to your face.
Ryan, do you understand the difference between a primary race and an election to decide who holds the seat? Do you see the difference between Coakley and Brown? Do you see the difference between the two states?
Pa is a conservative state, although with a democrat majority. I have seen Toomey statements as pandering to the left and in doing so, being indebted to them if he wins based on those votes.
In contrast, in a very liberal state, a man with a mixed record boldly proclaimed conservative principles and articulated a very conservative message. He won voters to his message. He didn't sell his soul for votes.
He dared to risk his future in Mass by speaking the truth and standing up for it. His message connected and that's why he won.
They just didn't understand the truth of your words. If they had listened then, would we be in a different place today? I suspect so.
Damn. Too bad Rush already used, 'I Told You So' as a book title.
Just damn. LOL
So it is true that Ray Whore Vath was indeed banned from Free Republic….
For calling people "turds", and "@$$holes", and — his favorite — "whores"?
I'm sure that Pat is real proud to have you on his team.
Why do you feel it necessary to lie just because you disagree with me? Can't you defeat my argument by showing where I am wrong?
Does that banning — for any reason (and not for the one that you made up) — really excite you that much? Does it ruin your day that I am no longer banned?
Seriously, get help before you hurt someone or yourself.
Take your best shot. Your words don't bother me. My replies are only to set the record straight for anyone else who might be reading.
I do believe, however, that in this thread alone, you have used those terms more than I ever have.
http://psychiatricnews.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/p...
It appears, Ray, that you dislike having your own foul rhetoric turned against you.
As you once said about our next senator "strap on a pair!".
Wow, should I make a comment so you guys can be on the same team again?
Why is Bob coming to your defense…LOL
Correction: Why isn't Bob coming to your defense?