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Penn State won't investigate because they themselves are pompous frauds. Ask the Dickinson Law people. (Spanier tried to shut down the Carlisle campus) Ask Geisinger Medical Center. (their failed "marriage" with Hershey Med) Anything they are involved in becomes a contest to see just how arrogant they can be.
Why wouldn't they try to whitewash the global warming scandal. Frauds on the taxpayer dime.
What debate? The one over how long Mann should spend in prison or the one about how to recoup the fraudulent use of tax payer money?
Educational institutions with six figure administration salaries are arrogant to the core.
They need to be "put on a leash" with law that controls the salaries and benefits of all universities funded by Pennsylvania's taxpayers.
Cut Spanier's salary and cap it at 400-thousand or less. He makes over half a million a year now……
Based on recent trends, all polar bears will be relocated to areas in Southern States: MAryland, Virgina, ,,,,
100% correct! Small scale frauds, like Bernard Madoff, are easier to prosecute. The Global Warming Fraud is so huge that it'll be hard, but Penn State and Michael Mann seem to have been willing and eager participants.
whether one guy is right or wrong or lied or didn't isn't going to make much difference. Global warming is happening and it is going to be one of the most significant economic problems of the 21st century. I really doubt there is much our current government can do about it, but denying it's happening is silly. Here's the latest
Arctic climate changing faster than expected | Reuters
sorry can't link that for some reason on this message board.
Reuters, like the AP, both parrot the party line, and still pretend that the Global Warming fraud is real, despite the falsehoods and misprepresentations of underlying data. Looking at actual photographs of the ice cap (oh, that dreaded reality, again) shows no real change.
No Reuters or AP release on this subject can be trusted. Neither can the networks, all of whom have been quick to do everything they could to perpetuate the fraud.
On another subject, a couple of days ago, Reuters pulled an article that actually dared to tell the truth about how much the government was spending.
killing the messenger isn't going to help. Global warming like most crises offers both risk and opportunity. Denying it and burying our heads in the sand does nothing.
So ok, there is no global warming. So what happens to all the pollution from the factories and vehicles? Absorbed by trees and turn into apples?
Try upgrading your browser.
Believing in it only raises taxes, increases regulatory power, increases the number of useless government employees, and distracts us from real problems, like energy, education, and excessive spending.
Surprised that, after Climategate showed what a fraud the "peer review" process is that you still take it even remotely seriously. It's about as important as the ozone hole. Read a little on climatedepot.com or wattsupwiththat.com and find how they took down thousands of temperature stations that gave cold readings, replacing them with sensors affected by asphalt runways and urban heat islands and then called the results "global warming".
I just shoveled two feet of global warming here in Delaware County.
For those of you who don't think that car emissions don't do harm, here is an experiment to try:
1. Pull your car in your garage
2. Close door, leave car running, stay in garage with car running
3. Call me before the snow ends, and tell me how you made out. I can be reached at 800-dumb-ass.
4. Global warming? Don't worry about it. You will be a cold corpse!
Disclaimer to the idiots (like hot McDonalds Coffee idiots) : Don't try this at home. It will kill you. You will probably try to sue me like the McDonald's coffee idiots)
I think this is the article you were trying to link to:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6145KP20100...
In this case, politicians have been complicit with the scam. The advance it and they promote and they gain support in return. Prosecution will be difficult but someone will crack and the walls will fall in on them. I just it's in my lifetime.
ROFLMAO!
You have to either be profiting from the scam or are incredibly naive to believe that.
Just 30 years these same scammers were warning of a coming ice age. BTW, have you stepped outside your basement recently. We didn't have a hot summer and we had a very cold and brutal winter. How does that make the case for 'warming?
For those of you who don't think liberals do any harm, here is an experiment to try:
1. Elect people who will raise your taxes.
2. Watch the jobs disappear.
3. See the economy collapse.
4. Call me before the economy completely collapses. I can be reached at 800-spenders.
5. Lose your job, home, and family? Don't worry about it. You will be a cold corpse.
Disclaimer to those who want to keep spending: Don't try this in your own country. It will destroy you, and you will probably try to sue me like the Global Warming patsies.
Who said that carbon monoxide won't kill you if you are in a confined area? To take your example and try to convert it into global warming proof is just nonsense.
We won't try your experiment here. Were too bright for that. Well, most of us are. But do me a favor and post your suggestion on the Daily Kos and DU. The population will drop significantly.
Actually, that is what happens to some of it. A lot of emissions act as fertilizers, helping plant growth. Most of what we see coming from "smoke" stacks is water vapor.
Rather than focus on the harmless sub-microscopic particles that fall harmlessly to earth, think about the fact that life expectancy is lengthening. If the miniscule amounts of pollution are actually harmful to life, then why do people keep living longer? Maybe it's because they can drive their vehicles to the doctor, who, with the nurses, drove their cars to work, and get antibiotics that are delivered by trucks.
I think they should tax alcohol. They would then see the backlash that only angry drunk people could display!
It would make them – R's and D's – stop in their tracks from taxing us to death. "Sugary drinks"? Won't be long until they tax the fat on our asses!
We agree on taxes!
I am a an engineer and PSU alum. I was taught if you fudge the #'s buildings will fall, burn and people will get hurt. I guess PSU no longer sunscribes to the integrity of the data. What we are watching is a burn abd crash. People get hurt when this type of corruption creeps into so called science
Even as a solid conservative on most issues, I'd have to agree that continuing to deny any man-made influence over our environment is preposterous. If you want a prime example of the damage we have done to our natural resources, just look at the Susquehanna River. Hell, I can't even eat the fish I catch!
Now, transcribe that same effect on to our climate… you can't tell me that all the particulate and exhaust we emit is somehow good for the air! The degree to which "global warming" is progressing is up for debate, but to deny any wrong-doing by both industry and individual is absurd.
I agree with "concerned" although I wouldn't call it "wrongdoing". Releasing all that exhaust into the air has to have an effect, just what and how much we can debate, but pretending we can just go on like that without consequences is ridiculous. Another very important issue lost in the sea of constant partisan politics. If one side's for it the other side has to be against, in this case their against not only a cure, but denying the problem even exists.
Global warming is the current boogeyman Du Jour. As Ray said, in the 70s we were supposed to be headed into another ice age. Here's a brilliant idea, eliminate all Co2. OOPS, everything would die if that happened. Co2 is actually good for plants and represents a very teensy, tiny part of the atmosphere. Most so called climate scientists don't have a clue what's going on and what effects what. Tilt of the planet, eliptical or circular orbit, etc. And consider that in my life time, north and south America have moved approximately 6 feet away from Africa and Europe. You math wizards can calculate how many acre feet of water that represents in the Atlantic ocean and the climate effect since I was born in 1945.
Someone once said you shouldn't argue with stupidity because you'll lose every time.
Victor, land movements such as you describe have little effect on sea levels. The movement is accompanied by a 6 foot shift to the west of the Americas, and the water flows in from the smaller Pacific to fill the wider Atlantic.
But, your points are dead on. Leftists simply can't think clearly enough to avoid believing what they read and hear, never understanding that big media got that way by getting paid huge sums of money to tell people what they are "supposed" to believe. Big media is just a complicated way to make rich people richer. Frankly, and unfortunately, liberals lack the ability to tell lies from truth.
case in point, the usual partisan stuff with the bogeymen "liberals" or the "media" and turn it around for the people on the left, just change the bogeymen. We have to start dealing with reality at some point and electing sensible folks who have the courage to take on the issues.
Earth is for the most part, a closed system. The only variable input is the SUN. All the carbon that exists today has existed from the beginning of time. It has been liberated, fixed, liberated, fixed, countless times throughout the eons much as water has been through the water cycle. The notion that we are impacting the climate by releasing something as innocuous as carbon dioxide is laughable on its face.
Carbon MONoxide, not carbon DIoxide will preferentially bind to the hemoglobin, thereby inhibiting the ability of blood to ferry oxygen and co2. You post clearly demonstrates why someone of your knowledge and reasoning ability believes in the hoax of global warming.
huw, we do need to "elect sensible folks who have the courage to take on the issues". But, the real issue is that the environmental issues are largely imaginary. People who wanted to sell expensive replacements for freon used the "Ozone Hole" boogeyman to justify raising the price of coolants from $.99 cents a can at K-mart to twenty dollars for a can that can only be put in by a licensed professional.
We need officials who are smart enough to understand how such basic cash flows, like carbon credits, can be greatly increased by environmental legislation that's only favoared by special interests and people who, frankly, aren't bright enough to see how they're being used.
You're right. We should start dealing with reality.
In reality, there is no proof of man-made global warming. Any "evidence" has shown to be either manipulated, misrepresented, or outright fraudulent. Anyone who has ever compared pictures of "1910 Pittsburgh" to "2010 Pittsburgh" knows how much cleaner the environment is now. Yet the panic continues.
And speaking of the "usual partisan stuff," why is it that the LEFT is the one pushing man-made global warming and trying to paint skeptics as lunatics? Or in your case, implying that skeptics aren't sensible, courageous, or focused on the issues? Hypocrisy, meet your maker…
In reality, the Earth is continually going through warming and cooling cycles. We are currently heading into a cooling cycle.
In reality, the Earth is the biggest polluter. Once volcanic eruption (happening long before the industrial age of man) does far more damage than we can muster in decades. Oil seepage from crevices in the oceans put more oil in our waterways than hundreds of Exxon Valdez tankers ever could. Before modern man, wildfires would rage unchecked until they ran out of fuel.
Yet the Earth still keeps spinning.
Bill, I think I erred in referring to sea levels. What I'm looking at is the volume of water between the Americas and Europe and Africa as measured from the north and south poles to whatever depth by 6 feet. How many acre feet that would be and what effect it has on climate. And yes, that water ultimately comes from the Pacific Ocean. Other great comments too (besides yours) about following the money. Politicians (Al Gore) and bad scientists create a boogeyman and then want to be paid huge sums of money to "study" the problem and the solutions. Without doing the math, I would guess in my lifetime there are trillions of acre feet of water in the Atlantic Ocean that wasn't there when I was born, and trillions of acre feet of water less in the Pacific. All of which changes the current dynamics and temperatures.
Rich, absolutely correct. Showing my age, but I was taught in school that the earth was still in an ice age and we were still warming. So the question is, what is "normal" for the planet? Consider that at one point in time dinosaurs and palm trees lived at the south pole. Al Gore left office with $2 million in the bank. He's up over $100 million now. His boogeyman Du Jour has paid great dividends.
"Releasing all that exhaust into the air has to have an effect." False.
Releasing the exhaust merely liberates all the carbon, hydrogen, oxygen that was previously fixed as a hydrocarbon so the cycle of fixation can begin anew.
Once you understand the earth is a closed system, you may begin to discern fact from fiction.
Not to mention that the ice that is melting in Greenland is revealing settlements that were there during a different warming period – centuries ago. After all, it was called "Greenland" for a reason…and not because "Iceland" was already taken.